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[ male announcer ] when diarrhea hits, kaopectate stops it fast. powerful liquid relief speeds to the source. fast. [ male announcer ] stop the uh-oh fast with kao. >>. >> this is "gps," global public square. welcome to you in the united states and around the world. ore fareed zakaria. as we begin 2011, i'm actually going to hazard a prediction that it will be a happy new year. at least a lot happier than 2010, marked in the western
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world by slow growth, economic crises and political discord. things are looking up. economic data suggests that the u.s. is moving toward stronger growth if that happens it has a restorative effect everywhere. the u.s. economy remains the world's largest by far, still three times the size of china's economy in real dollars. so if the american economy begins to boom, everyone prospers, and all of america's problems, while real, get less dire. tax revenues go up, state budgets look better, pension plans become more solvent. the crucial statistic is unemployment. while i hope that goes down, it remains the most difficult. it's possible to get real economic growth without much improvement in u.s. employment numbers. beyond america, i predict europe will also grow, and it's crisis will not overwhelm the continent. if you think about it the eurozone has been rocked by a series of crises, but the net effect is to make europe realize it has no choice but to bail out its spend-thrift members,
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greece, ireland, portugal. the truth is, germany can afford the bill and it can even afford to bail out spain it will reluctantly write the checks. no collapse of the euro and decent growth there perhaps. japan might grow faster. the entire developed world, 50% of the world economy will finally be growing which will boost global growth considerably. other emerging markets will keep on their forward path. what about geopolitics? while there are many potential flash points from pakistan to north korea to iran, i'm going to say none of these will turn into crisis that threaten global stability. they will be contained. north korea will be reined in by china, u.s. will not attack iran, and pakistan will not
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allow a state collapse or jihadi takeover. i'm bound to be wrong somewhere. if you look over the last decade, every year usually has some shock that is unanticipated. but i had say that the basic trends of the this year are toward the restoration of global growth. two cheers for 2011. those are my predictions, you will hear predictions from oir all-star panel later. what is the next international crisis? then george clooney on a crisis that could explode in africa. sudan. he explains the problem and his very interesting solution. >> but the truth of the matter, there is so many ways this can fall apart. as you know this is a nation being born, and there are a lot of problems with that. >> also, why in the world should we care about an ice cream store opening in the green zone in baghdad? we'll tell you. then, assassination in pakistan. how dangerous are things getting
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in that country? we talk to a key associate of the assassinated governor. finally, a last look at how much it might cost to buy a big white house in washington. you'll be surprised. let's get started. okay. you've heard what i think 2011 will bring. we wanted to bring together some of the more interesting minds to see what they think when they look at their crystal balls at the year to come. we'll talk about politics, the economy, the world with a great panel. david remnic, eliot spitzer, chrystia freeland, and the foreign affairs columnist and deputy editor of the paper's editorial page. elliott, first to you. obama faces a new congress. you have been urging that he be
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more combative, not less. is that really going to work? a speaker of a house of an opposing party? >> i was,ing he be more combative last year. this time he needs to draw lines in the sand so that the public knows where he stands for. and bill daley's op-ed in the "washington post" indicated a perspective that says let's get to perspective consensus, forge coalitions, less dramatic moves in either direction. and i think barack obama will move very much to the middle. >> then won't people like you start denouncing him? >> denouncing is a little happ. i encouraged him -- >> your first editorial was urging him to fire tim geithner. >> and i stand by that. i think we got those transactions with wall street wrong. put that issue aside.
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i think the president will now need to work with john boehner and in order to succeed in getting the budget through it will become a much more centrist type of governance, where they will try to morganalize the tea party. >> the defense has the advantage. both sides, the administration and the republicans in congress will be waiting for the other side to overreach, to misstep. they are obviously looking to 1995 as the model when newt gingrich overreached. >> i agree with the first world war as the metaphor here. >> let us point out very badly. >> but what it implies trench warfare, trench is not moving much. lots of casualties, and nothing much accomplished. and i think the prospect -- the liberal prospect as it were in terms of legislation, not only the next two years, but possibly over the next six if we can even make the presumption that barack
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obama will win re-election and i don't think we can, but let's say we do over the next six years, you might see this kind of trench warfare, world war i kind of analogy in play. >> david's point about nothing much accomplished, the big thing has happened already. and that's the tax deal and as far as obama and the white house is concerned, it's a time of praying, crossing your fingers that is enough of an adrenaline shot for the economy that 2012 is okay. >> a very sad compromise. >> right. their big prayer is if it works, nobo none of the stuff really hearsay. >> the critical issues that the president should be addressing, the decline of the middle class, the increasing disparity of classes due to the tax cut, a horrendous deal, those tectonic pieces are set, nothing terribly good will happen over the next two years. that makes me grieve. >> something bad could happen,
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like there could about a debt ceiling. >> back to krista's point, if the economy grows, and the tax deal is part of it, general economic revival is part of it. if that all gets better, do obama's numbers -- there is a good prospect that obama's numbers start looking better and better as employment numbers go down, growth numbers go up. >> here is the thing. in my expectation, he will be re-elected but won't be transformational in the way we hoped because of the alignments and deals will be cut and the sorts of decisions need to be made and the sorts of investments that you wrote about in your "times" article. those decisions that can't be made because of the rock this place. >> is there a compromise? it's got to be true that republicans have to be concerned that we are 25th in broadband penetration. ski areas where you do need government investment. is there some deal where you could say, look, i understand we need to make the tax code more
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rational. but in terms we need to make more investments? >> sure. george will made this point in a column not long ago. investment in research is a basic need. he has an influence over even members of the tea party this is certainly one year where the government has a role in investment in fundamental research. i think, look, looking forward to the next two years, there is an opportunity, called growth and we're starting to get it in this country. there is a threat, a risk which is called inflation. we see it in higher food prices, you see it in real inflationary pressures in places like china and vietnam and how you finesse that -- those two issues is going to be fundamental to what we see in the next two years. if we manage no get real growth in this country, without running the inflationary risks that the fed monetary policy is leading
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to, then probably obama will be re-elected. republicans in congress will be re-elected. we'll see a clintonian period over six years. if inflation takes over growth -- >> even over the next two years? don't you think without saying it out loud, the fed is quite happy with a little bit of inflation? a terrific day to pay down your foreign debt. it is like being a little pregnant, but in the u.s. it's fantastic. >> and you continue to have a tale of two worlds, inflation in china, india, and vietnam and no inflation here where wages are declining. >> the pressure for inflation is not from the monetary policy side. it's because commodities are being driven through the world. >> more chinese are eating meet and driving cars. >> david, you still sound like the disappointed liberal. what do you say to obama -- >> i'm not disappointed in some areas, but i'm quite enthusiastic in some areas as
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well. this last run of legislative wins was impressive during the lame-duck congress. it was quite impressive. but i think those days are numbers for political reasons. >> where is his temperament? does he want to be the guy gets a lot of deals, call it triangulation, or does he want to set out his core beliefs and say this is my line. >> there is a difference between what he would like to do. i really think he wanted to be transformational. he wanted to be big, and he has scored in some areas. take a look at the middle east. which brett and i could argue about all night lock. he wanted to be transformational. his steps were awkward and tentative and he won't see big progress there at all. >> we'll get to foreign policy, but before that as somebody who knows the law, can the health
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care bill be declared unconstitutional? >> can it be? sure. will it be is a jump ball, and i think the reason it's a jump ball, i think the constitutional theories of the last 60 years would indicate it is, in fact, constitutional. it's always up to the supreme court to redefine that constitutional framework, and justice kennedy, likely to be the swing vote will, sit there and say do i want to chart an entirely neutrajektry for constitutional doctrine in the next 50 years? if he wants to do that he may cast a vote and says you cannot cast a vote. 70/30. i think it will be found constitutional for all of the right reasons. it is within a commerce clause power of the federal government to do this. >> when we come back, foreign affairs. right back. >> more money by a factor of 50% was raised in ipos in china and london and the united states together this callan dar year. that is where the shift is right now. the u.n. isn't allowed to --
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they can't do what we're doing. they have laws about -- against it. the united states can't do these kinds of things. we're individuals so we can hire satellites and take pictures much like people can hire satellites and take pictures of me. [ sneezes ] client's here.
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we are back with david remnick, chrystia freeland, eliot spitzer, talking about obama and the world. middle east peace. i saw an interview you gave to a paper where you said the occupation has gone on for 43 years, and i'm tired of it. i'm sick of it. >> when i think of the as relatively immaterial. what i'm trying to say is that
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things seem quiet now, and i was just in israel for ten days, and was in the west bank as well, and talked to palestinians as well as a lot of journalists as well. yes, i know this is not by any stretch of the imagination as perilous of pakistan or a number of other issues. the corrosive effect of occupation on israeli society is really serious. it is disappointing to me. you mentioned disappointment, that obama, for whatever reason, going to slowly withdraw from this issue and not spend any big political capital to do it. the only place that's going to be able to bring people to the table is the united states. >> you obviously see things different? >> where do i begin? >> where to start? >> the smartest thing -- well, barack obama has done a number of smart things in foreign policy, i'll be the first to admit it.
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the first was to pull back from his disastrous for ray into the arab/israeli dispute. the biggest difference is that the sides are too far apart. for whatever reason, and you can bemoan it for as long as you want. the sides aren't ready to make peace and we shouldn't be expending capital and effort for an effort to roll a boll up a hill. what worries in he in the middle east? hezbollah, the future of iraq, the iranian nuclear program. there are a whole set of issues and we use this catch phrase, middle east peace just to mean israel and its neighbors. >> i might even agree with what you're saying about american diplomacy. you don't want to expend political capital where there is no hope for payback. it is 3 4 3 years, the israeli
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government has been ruling a population which it has not enfranchised and has not let go. surely you can't be comfortable with that. >> no, i'm not. i'm against the occupation. any sensible person is against the occupation. >> what does that mean? >> it's bad for israel, bad for the palestinians, bad for the world. >> and it's wrong. it's deeply wrong. >> it's wrong compared to what? david, the issue isn't it's wrong,ist bad, let's end it. the issue is what happens the moment the occupation ends? is that worse than what we have now? is it worse for israel, worse than the palestinians? >> we started with the question of what has obama not done and what are we disappointed about? surely this can't be that high on the list. talking about political capital, he doesn't have that much. there are huge problems in america that will take a lot of political capital.
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and doesn't china and the whole global financial system have to be his focus? that's not traditionally what we think of when we think of foreign policy, but it's really important. and the world economy isn't working. that was the lesson of 2008. if the world needs america to show leadership, surely that has to be at the top of his agenda. >> it's not working for others very well either. where does america need to focus in terms of sorting out the world? that has to be number one. >> there is an interesting symbolism with the photographs beginning with the chinese stealth plane. whether it's a real plane, whether it's any good, that's another question. but the world's attention has dramatically shifted from things middle eastern or south asian into an entirely new direction. china no longer just seems an economic threat if you want to call it that or an economic issue there is a strategic question. >> the stealth plane they may or may not have worries me less
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than the civil an aircraft could replace the boeing airbus. more money in ipos was raised than united states and london put together. i agree that's what we have to be worried about, as well as the middle east, but the tectonic shift is monumental. >> do you get the sense that the conversation we're having, economic conversation is at the center of republican focus in the congress? >> no. no. >> i'm asking -- >> i think they are oblivious to this. they don't have the foggiest idea of how to address rhes resuscitating the american economy. >> will if matter? in other words, will the fact of the republican, the tea party, and i think it's fair to say it
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doesn't have a coherent growth agenda. will they realize that you need to keep to cutting taxes and that solves the problem? >> we have a disagreement. you can cut taxes and all of a sudden, that is a much more benign economic situation. that's what happened in december with the tax situation, which you deride, bemoan. the issues on top of the mind of the tea party, other than christine o'donnell's fixations are cutting taxes to promote growth and cutting the size of government or the rate of its increase. those are the considerations. >> surely, you cut taxes. it's at the level of 11% of gdp. you cut taxes more, you have already added $1 trillion over the next ten years this is this
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a serious strategy? are we shooting for 20% of gdp as our budget defendant sit? >> 19.8% during the clinton years i think. the only way we'll reduce our deficit is through economic growth. we can disagree how you get it. but cutting taxes, creating an environment of predictability. >> further tax cuts beyond what we just saw? >> if i were -- i don't think that will happen. but to the extent that not only -- i mean, look at what andrew cuomo is doing -- >> without corresponding cuts in spending are simply deploying tax cuts. >> forget go the united states. look at the current governor of new york doing right off the bat. this -- >> he is driving up his deficit by limiting tax revenue. he's proposed a few marginal cuts in spending that will be nowhere sufficient in spending. >> you have to cut spending.
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>> the tax deal that -- i think most of us look at and say it's wrong. social values level, but wrong at a simple balancing the books level has not been matched. if there was intellectual integrity, it would have been matched with a desire to cut spending. the first thing, they said we didn't mean $100 billion and pared it back to $50 billion there is not even a sense they are trying to pay for spending cuts with a loss of tax revenues. >> that's the real question for the tea party are they genuinely lpg to take on the entitlement state. >> and what about defense spending? is that on the table? >> defense spending seems sacred. >> is it? >> we just had one weapons system eliminated by secretary gates. >> we are to go. but i'll ask you for a prediction very simple specific prediction, obama's approval rating three months from now. >> 55%. >> so up a lot. >> absolutely.
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>> 45%. where it is now. >> pretty much -- i agree with bret. just below 10% unemployment keeps it will. >> i'll split it down the middle. i think it will be higher, but not as high as elliott. >> viva las vegas. >> there you go. >> thank you, all. we'll be right back. do you think these killers will care there are cameras there? >> i don't care whether they care or not. remember, the part of this is also about the deniability factor. in general, they say they didn't do it. they can pawn it off on saying these are rebel attacks. if we have photographs of tanks and helicopters lined up on the border and thousands and thousands of troops lined up on the border, it's very hard for you to say that's rebel attacks. . [ male announcer ] nothing's proven to relieve pain better than extra strength bayer aspirin.
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now for a "what in the world" segment. a new cold war you might not be aware of. this isn't between the united states and the soviet union. it's between the united states and iran. and instead of world domination, this new struggle is being fought over ice cream.
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hence, cold war, get it? in the coming weeks, iran will open a new ice cream store in baghdad, in the green zone, right by the american embassy. part of a budding iranian chain called ice pack this is the third baghdad branch. there is no american united states chain in baghdad. if you wanted to dial up domino's or pizza hut in baghdad or get a burger, it would be a very long distance call. these chains are targets for anty-american violence. there are a few tucked away on highly secure u.s. military bases. there is a bigger picture here about more than frozen treats or golden arches. as the united states continues to draw down its military presence in iraq, the question is, can it continue its influence? and if not, who fills the
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vacuum? the answer america is already losing ground to iraq's neighbors to the north and east. in other words, to iran and turkey. iraq is being bombarded from both sides. tv shows and trade from turkey, 1,500 trucks reportedly go back from iraq to turkey at one checkpoint alone. $6 billion of trade between the two nations in all of last year and there are investments and oil deals with iran, not to mention millions of pilgrims going back and forth. and both nations, iran and turk turkey, are working their hardest to influence politics in baghdad. iran's side won a big victory when the shiite prime minister, nuri al maliki maintained his position. the turks were backing the former prime minister, al alawi. after spending more than $700 billion on the iraq war effort, we are losing influence to
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turkey and iran. the real big picture here is that this is a sign that u.s. effort in iraq was always too focused on hard power, on military power and not enough on soft power, on political and economic measures. by the way, america's ice cream chain baskin robins has 31 flavors. iran's ice pack has 34. i wonder what the extra three are we'll be right back. do you think the obama administration has a special role to play here? >> they have had a special role to play here. they were very good early on, and then they sort of dropped the ball for about a year. it's understandable. there were a few things going on in the united states that had to be taken care of. ...and? it helped balance her colon. oh, now that's the best part. i love your work. [ female announcer ] phillips' colon health.
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the as oscar-winning actor george clooney has starred in blockbuster films, and he is bringing an innovative plan to
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stop mass murder before it even happens. he will explain. clooney joins me from juba, the capital of southern sudan, where citizens begin voting on whether to split the war-torn nation in two. why does this matter to you? why have you taken this up as your cause? >> it started out as darfur. hi, fareed. how are you? are started out in 2005-2006. i was paying attention to darfur and started to learn a lot about the north/south fighting. many of the same players in particular from the north. and then as this referendum came into play and we started to understand that there was going to be ran election, a vote, not an election, to separate, understanding all of the things in this -- that the north has done in general, considering darfur being one, and the north/south war which cost about 2. million lives, we felt there was a really good possibility that the same kind of thing
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could happen here, and a lot of experts felt the same way. >> and what we're looking at is a place that has had a civil war for 22 years. 2.5 million people have died. you think this could start up again? if this referendum, if the aftermath of this referendum goes badly? >> of course this could start up again. there is always a very good possibility of that. tremendous steps forward, even since october, since we were here in october. the fact that there is a referendum at all which no one thought would happen, is a testament to the skill of not just -- not just the government of south sudan who has gotten their act together, the u.n. has been very helpful along the way. the truth of the matter, there are so many ways this could fall apart as you know. this is a nation being born, and there are a lot of problems with that. >> let me -- let me bring in your partner in this project, the enough project, john pendergast. can you describe -- you've been
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working tirelessly on this issue and other african issues. what is the sentinal project you guys have put together? explain to the viewers what you guys are doing? >> the idea is to try to prevent human rights abuses before they occur, by shining a spotlight on the places -- on the locations along the border between the north and the south where the possibility exists that if there is conflict, if there is a crisis that will erupt it will be in those places, and the idea is if we can put a spotlight on those areas, and ensure that photography, that satellite imagery, 24, 48 hours after the fact, can be beamed around the world, if there is large-scale troop movements, movements of tanks, other kinds of provocative actions or offensive actions, if those can be broadcast around the world, perhaps it will have a deterrent value. so our goal with these satellite
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sentinal project is detenchs and accountable. >> i also want to put in, the u.n. isn't allowed to -- you know, they can't do what we're doing. they have laws about -- against it. the united states can't do these kinds of things. we're individuals so we can hire satellites and take pictures like people can hire take pictures and do and take pictures of me. seemed like it made sense to us. >> you said somewhere you know from being covered all the time that people act differently when they are being covered by cameras. do you really think that -- i mean, one thing for george clooney to worry about cameras in i don't know a supermarket in l.a. do you think these killers will care that there are cameras there? >> i don't care whether they care or not. remember, part of this is also about the deniability factor. in general, they say they didn't do it. they can pawn it off on saying these are rebel attacks if we have photographs of tanks and helicopters lined up on the border and thousands and thousands of troops lined up on
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the border, it's very hard for you to say that's rebel attacks if afterward there is a big fight. so it's less about whether or not they feel bad. because they don't care. but it is much more about what the rest of the world will say. >> i would think it's a great idea, but just to my devil's advocate, didn't we have lots of pictures of what was going on in darfur? didn't we have lots of pictures of what was going on in the balkans in sarajevo? will this really have the affect you're hoping? >> who knows? ith one of many tools we're trying to use. did we have pictures of darfur? yes. after. after the fact, after everyone was killed and there was plausible deniability by the government government. >> george, you make the rounds in washington. do you think the obama administration has a special role to play here?
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>> they have had a special role to play here. they were very go ahead earod ed then sort of dropped the ball for about a year. it's understandable. there were a few things in the united states that had to be taken care of, and all of that makes since. i think they thought this was working out all right and i think around august, end of august, they looked around and thought this could really escalate into a real full-scale war. everyone started predicting some very dire things, all of which are absolutely possible. but the obama administration, senator john kerry and getting the president -- the president gets daily memos on the situation in sudan now. he's very much involved. they have since -- i'd say easily since the beginning of september stepped it up and made a huge difference in where we are now in terms of peaceful separation. >> finally, george, let me ask
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up you've been following this issue for a long time. we have talked about it, and you are deeply knowledgeable about it. there are a lot of thorny issues to be negotiated. oil issues, water sharing, all kinds of things. to you think this is going to be a separation -- the end of the day, do you think this is going to work? >> yes, i do. the separation will happen. that's -- i don't think that's an issue up for grabs anymore. the question will be ultimately, probably, abyei, an area right on the border, separated from this agreement, from the cpa agreement, and the question will be whether or not that area in particular, is able to be used as a pawn to create a smaller battle between the meserea and the dinca and if that happens, and those two fight it out as a proxy war, then this could escalate again into war. so that seems to be the main
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piece of the puzzle that everyone here is concerned with. and that's something -- we're going there tomorrow again. it's an area that we constantly monitor and pay attention to. >> and that's where your satellites become so crucial. they will be there and we'll be able to see early movements of any kind and alert the world to what is going on. george clooney, john pendergast, a pressure leasure to have you . a great project, a very important project and also a very innovative project. preventive crisis diplomacy, fascinating it's coming from private citizens rather than governments, and i wish you all the best. >> thank you. the security guard had made up his mind he says, and had come there with a purpose, and the purpose was to kill him. and when he did that, he laid down his gun and said that i have killed. i got into one of the best schools in the country!
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i'm candy crowley, we're following our top story,
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yesterday's top shooting in tucson, arizona, that injured 14 and killed 5 others. let's go to susan candiotti in tucson. >> reporter: hi, candy. authorities have upped the number of people shot to 20. to 20. and we are here awaiting another? another hour or so an update on the condition of everyone that is at this largest hospital, the university medical center. where ten people are being treated. including congresswoman gabrielle giffords. she is in critical condition and she has been drugged to remain calm. she is not in an induced coma by any means. however, we can tell you that there are five people here who are in critical condition, and five who are in serious condition. we're not hearing about individual stories involving the other people here at the hospital, because for privacy reasons, the hospital is not authorized to release that information. but, of course, we hope to learn
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more. in the meantime, a makeshift shrine has come up behind us. you can see the candles and flowers. people continue to drop by more memorials for the people who are being treated and, of course, those who have died. >> thank you, susan. we will carry a press conference live from the hospital at 12:00 p.m. eastern. up next, more of fareed zakaria "gps" and then "reliable source" at the top of the hour. yellowbook has always been crucial to your business, but now, to get it really cooking, you need a little website development.
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a popular progressive politician, the governor of punjab, the heart of pakistan, it's most popular state, was murdered by his own security guard, shot more than 25 times, because he had publicly opposed a law that said harsh penalties for blasphemy against islam. the government remains under threat of a no-confidence vote. to talk about the instability and what it means, najam sati joins me from pakistan. he was the editor of "the daily times," a paper owned by ansir. now he owns "the friday times". >> thank you. >> personally, how do you feel about this? this man was one of your closest friends, your boss, political confederate? >> we go back a long time. great sense of humor, very blunt, outspoken, and i think
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that's probably what in the end created problems for him. he started saying things which the religious clerics didn't like. he was irreverent, bored, and he started making controversial statements. the media loves a blunt man, but in this issue, the bluntness was aimed at the religious lobby, and people are generally very careful when they tread on religious toes here. >> do you think he was aware of the danger he was courting? people denounced him regularly and there were death threats? >> yes, i think he was aware of the fact that there was danger. he a lot of security. but then he was a very sort of carefree sort of person. often he would just get into his car and just drive off with friends to a local restaurant and have a meal. which is exactly what he did on that ill fated day. he walked from his house to a
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restaurant about half a kilometer away. some of his security guards followed him. he a meal and then he walked out. and then this guard just shot him dead. the security guard had made up his mind he says and had come there for a purpose, and the purpose was to kill him. when he did that, he lay down his gun and said that i have killed a blasphemer. >> the most disturbing part of all of this to me was that the security guard, when he was being taken and arrested and to see these people, what seemed like dozens, perhaps even hundreds of people, throwing rose petals at him to honor him for what he did. it really does seem as though moderates in pakistan are quiet, have been silenced, are scared, and the religious extremists who are in effect -- have been on the side of an assassin, they
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are on the ascendascendency, th growing. >> the so-called liberals have been stunned into silence. they have to watch over their backs. one wrong word here or there could be misplaced, misrepresented and then a fate worse than death could follow. and since violence is now the creed, as we saw in suleman tasi's case, principles are not important anymore. especially with the parliament of the day, no one is prepared to stands up. there is an insurgence of extremism in this case, intolerance, which does nots bode well for its future. >> america's chief concern, the ability of the pakistani government, the pakistani army to really take on the -- the
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extremists who are holed up in north waziristan, who are al qaeda, the hakani group, all of the major terrorist outfits who are destabilizing afte ining af pakistan, but so far the army never wanted to go there, because it seemed too big a step? looking at this, this is a substantial blow to this strategy. >> i think the army has always been reluctant to move against fellow muslims and having to fight fellow muslims in one's own homeland, it's mind-set is not geared for that if it were to go to north waziristan, it would have to convince the public that it wasn't at america's behest but in pakistan's own national interests, and that's a tall order to convince people over here that you are not going in there to do america a favor, but you're going in there because
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this is a threat you face yourself exist tentally, that's one of the reasons it's reluctant to do that. >> any advice you have for the united states in this very treacherous waters to navigate? >> yes, i think the united states should take pakistan's army and its national security operators along with it. i think that in the final analysis, the road to kabul is via islamabad, and america and the pakistani army should be better partners, more trusting partners in trying to find a solution to this. pakistan does have a problem on both its borders and concerned about the sort of government that will eventually come into play in kabul and therefore, as the army chief of pakistan constantly says, pakistan seeks a friendly afghanistan. stable, peaceful, and friendly afghanistan. i think the word friendly is important. i don't think that's a contradiction with american names. the issue really is how to get
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there. what is the process by which you get there? >> najam sethi, thank you for joining us, and our condolences on your loss. >> thank you. nobody in my family ever had a heart attack. if anything, i thought i'd get hit by a bus, but not a heart. my doctor put me on an aspirin regimen to help protect my life. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. check with your doctor because it can happen to anybody.
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